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Poster: AltheaRose Date: May 25, 2012 11:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: The Trey Challenge: Part II

What I get from the thread below on Jerry vs Trey is that a lot of folks feel that Trey is a virtuoso player, arguably more "skilled" than Jerry in technique if not in expressive capacity or range, and he's done a lot of stuff that really blow folks away.

What I don't get is what folks mean by that. I mean, like, examples. YouTube links. Specific tunes/moments that are either (a) incredible, or even (b) more incredible than Jerry at his best.

I've said before that I don't "get" Phish, and folks have valiantly tried to help me "get" it, but ... well, I never went to a show, I'm the wrong age, whatever. Maybe there's just too much out there on YouTube and so on, and it's just too hard to wade through the dross to get the gems. (I'm not sure someone would exactly get into the Dead by randomly seeing Dead clips or clicking on songs.)

So, given that otherwise sane-minded folks with well-functioning ears are saying "more of a virtuoso than Jerry" or at least "really astounding," does anyone have links / Best Songs / Best Moments to point out? A Phish Cheat Sheet. Not whole shows. Something for short attention spans.

Link away ...

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Poster: Space Jogger Date: May 26, 2012 6:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

Straight Rock and Roll

Always thought Jerry would have sounded good singing this...
Phish: Back On The Train [HD] 2011-12-29 - New York, NY

Great rocker...
Phish: Kill Devil Falls [HD] 2011-06-01 - Holmdel, NJ

Nice & Sweet

Nice studio song...
Phish - Joy - Studio Version

One of Phish's more emotive and accessible songs...
Phish: Bug [HD] 2011-06-07 - Mansfield, MA

Epic

Beautiful piece of music is an understatement...life changing for many(psilocybin?)...just enjoy...
Phish: The Divided Sky [HD] 2011-01-01 - New York, NY


for the incorrigible
Phish - Terrapin Station


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Poster: deadpolitics Date: May 27, 2012 2:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

Thanks for the links. Gonna study up on this.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: May 26, 2012 11:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

Wow, that's a lot to digest! (Or in the case of Cliff's link, to give a case of indigestion ...) I like the first one so far. It'll take me a while to listen to all of that; maybe I'll come back with a review :-) Thanks for taking the time to do those links.

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Poster: Space Jogger Date: May 27, 2012 4:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

Hope you like the links. Great topic! I'm definitely enjoying this thread!!!

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Poster: ice9freak Date: May 26, 2012 9:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

Great links right here.

Jerry is a better guitarist and songwriter, but Trey is a stronger composer. Phish's music in my opinion owes just as much to names like Frank Zappa, Little Feat, Talking Heads, King Crimson, etc as they do to the Dead.

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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: May 26, 2012 10:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

If I compare the Dead and Phish when they were both touring in the same time era, 1989 > 1995, Phish wins, hands down.

When I went to my first Phish show in 97, there were a LOT of old deadheads there. Just saying that Phish sucks, without hearing a good show is plain ignorance

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Poster: user unknown Date: May 26, 2012 12:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

I've really tried to listen to what those in the know call "good" Phish shows. For a while WSP was my go to GD "replacement band", then I discovered RRE. I still prefer WSP to Phish. Sorry, I just don't "get" Phish and it is difficult to like that which you do not understand.

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Poster: ice9freak Date: May 26, 2012 11:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

Fall '97 was THE tour. As for 89-95, do you think it's fair to say that as the Dead declined, Phish just kept gettin' hotter?

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: May 29, 2012 9:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

I think that's a pretty accurate statement, and I think '95 was Phish's strongest year. and '97 was super hot and funky. As for modern day Phish, they just don't click like they did in the '90s.

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Poster: ice9freak Date: May 29, 2012 9:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

I really enjoyed most of Phish's playing from 2011 (can't quite say the same for '10 or '09). Check out set II of 6/3/11 from last summer. You'll think you're listening to something from '95-'97.

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Poster: pdm59 Date: May 26, 2012 9:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

This does not answer the question but I'm listening to some Phish from 97 that my son is playing. I like it a lot. In Part 1 responses someone said the Dead moves their body and mind. That goes for me as well. When certain Dead tunes get to certain points/jams my mind takes a trip of its own. The synapses start firing and I take off. I come back when the band lets me. The Dead get in my head in a positive manner. This keeps me coming back for more. So no answer, just 2 more subjective cents.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: May 26, 2012 2:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

Hey Althea, this is a great Phish moment, a quite popular one as well, for good reason.

I think phish heads differ from dead fans in that they are more so the type to "rage" or really just wanna dance. Phish moves me big time, but it doesnt stimulate my brain like dead does. This jams builds pretty nicely and is a good example of what phish heads miss when listening to dead.

I'd start from the beginning, but make sure you at least check 3-6 minutes in. There are only a few small moments in this jam that show what I think makes him a better guitar player (remember, i still much prefer jerry and think jerry plays notes much more passionately).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lWi1dGT9UY

If you really wanna hear trey smoke...
(unfortunately I cant link you, but highly suggest this...)

go to phishows.com
go to shows
go to 1993
go to 1993-12-31
stream the first track titled "llama"
its a couple minute song and it will show you what makes trey such an incredible guitarist.

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Poster: user unknown Date: May 26, 2012 8:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

WIDH, brother I tried your recommendation.

It just doesn't speak to me at all, or if it does I don't speak their language.


"Different strokes for different folks
And so on and so on and scooby dooby dooby

Ooh sha sha
We gotta live together"

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: May 26, 2012 4:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

Not sure if this is going to help you, though it might :)

This is what Phish sound like to me...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNHIFM0Y87c



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Poster: deadhead53 Date: May 26, 2012 5:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

That was pretty good cliff! I like phish but to me Jerry is a virtuoso, playing pedal steel, banjo almost everything to me that makes a virtuoso! Just my 2 cents

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Poster: Edsel Date: May 30, 2012 10:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

Perfect !

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Poster: craven714 Date: May 26, 2012 1:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Try

I havent laughed that hard in quite a while.
next stop hospital...ruptured sides...cant stop laughing...
must watch again...

Yes, you could do that with any band. still prolly funny
and true.

I dont like or dislike Phish, I appreciate their talent,
but they dont get much air time round these parts. I do
love a vacuum cleaner solo every once in a while I must admit. Just ask my DR.

Thx D and AR>
I would have to agree with ice9's comments the most

Please dont eat anything for an hour before or after watching this ( for 13 seconds, i know)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhd7MXwpLec&;feature=related

Isnt there a story about jerry throwing Phil down a flight of stairs after hearing " down with disease?" Maybe Im confused.

`~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~now back to my tenticle erotica

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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: May 26, 2012 7:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

If thats the case I REALLY would not have wasted my money to hear them play every time they came to the Shoreline from 1997 on. It's funny though - especially if you dispise Phish!

A simular ignorant video could be made of ANY band to degrade them.

Duhhhhh...Phish sucks...duhhhhh! Very enlightening!

Here ya go, inane lyric's about their milkman, It's VERY well played with incredible jamming into and thru the later half >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6x7O0zIobs

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: May 26, 2012 7:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

Have a great weekend, Earl :)

Hope we can meet next time I'm in Hayward!

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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: May 26, 2012 7:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

Thank you Dennis, and thank you Mr Hood ;)

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 26, 2012 11:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

NO! Primus SUCKS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmFdIUQ16f4

Best band Trey was ever in - their show at Bonnaroo was great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmUaUItwEAw&;feature=related

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 26, 2012 12:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

I told you Primus SUCKS:

http://www.jambands.com/news/2012/05/26/bob-weir-joins-primus-at-summer-camp/

Sounds like tomorrow never knows and not the other one...

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: May 26, 2012 2:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

phish is eons better than primus, or oysterhead, or w.e

phish, like the dead, is a magical combination. trey nor jerry ever played in a better band


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Poster: high flow Date: May 30, 2012 3:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

Ouch.

I assume you simply left out IMHO.

I love both bands(Phish and GD). I saw Oysterhead at the Greek in Berkeley, I've seen the GD and JGB countless times all over the west. I've seen Phish play in mid-sized 2500-4500 seat venues. I've seen most of the big rock outfits(Stones, Who, Yes, Clapton, Rush, etc...) at one time or another and I've sniffed-out the best unknowns and followed their tracks as well.

It's so hard to compare the "magic" of any 2 bands. I guess I felt some magic inside the Oakland Coliseum Arena shows, particularly 10/31/1991(honoring Bill Graham) and 12/6/89(first after Loma Prieta Earthquake). Other than that I never considered any big-scale rock show to be magical.

For me, JGB at the Warfield, Los Lobos at The Fillmore, Allman Brothers & Blues Traveler at the Warfield and the untold number of bars in which I watched Little Charlie Baty play like a Giant Redwood falling spectacularly with far to few witnesses were places where magic was most likely. Baty and Estrin were magic...everytime.

Sorry to say this(and I love this band) Phish was/is fun, but not magic. Oysterhead was twisted and odd and very entertaining...not magic. I love the songs, the lyrics, the changes and I recognize the skill, but the magic falls short. I never saw them at Nectar's......maybe that's my problem.

But just like Terrapin Station at Giants Stadium, I have a hard time thinking of 2001 Space Odyssey for 40-60K fans as magical.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: May 30, 2012 4:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

well just to let it be known, I completely disregard the concert experience. When I make any of these statements its not based on what happened there, but what happens here at the desk, or in the car, etc.

I tend to leave out IMHO at points because i believe them so strongly, well they might as well be facts lol.

just another strident dead head...

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Poster: high flow Date: May 30, 2012 4:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

OK, well we come from different perspectives. This entire deal of listening to live performances is merely a crutch to get me to the next live music event. It's about catching a glimpse of that live music feeling. Guitars, drums, bass, fiddles and mandolins just don't have the same resonance from a desk or driver's seat.

It's like watching the Travel Channel rather than actually going places and then calling your visit to Tuscany with Anthony Bourdain magical. IMHO.:)

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: May 30, 2012 4:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

meh... I'll have to disagree. Listening to music is merely a crutch to the next concert? is it just the concert experience that you really love? we are very different if that is so...

Frankly i dont find the concert to be the supreme experience or the most objective way to analyze the music, in fact i think it makes analyzing the music much more subjective.

While i think your analogy does hold maybe some merit, most people listen to music much more frequently than they experience it live. And hence, the opinion based on solely listening to the music should hold a good deal of validity, especially as most of us criticize based on solely listening.

I've been turned off by the music scene, being a dead head who isnt much into drugs or bands that are particularly lack luster (and having lost many friends to the worthless scene), my music world is typically on my own or with a few friends. This is part of why seeking out concerts is near the bottom of my list and why i feel the concert experience should be left for another argument or outside of musical analysis or within the context of live musical experiences.

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Poster: high flow Date: May 30, 2012 4:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

I understand your opinion.

I do not go to concerts for the party, I go for the music. I go to see the performers in their element and to hear the unadulterated tones from their instruments and voices. Frankly, most shows I've seen don't really translate to tape. Thus the "you had to be there" element of trying to help a non-attendee understand this music.

I'll just say this and leave it alone. The live performance is the reason why these bands exist. It is their function on the planet.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: May 30, 2012 4:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

that i will agree with, but i believe that all does stem from a love of listening to music and not solely just the love to perform.

But i just cant help to argue, it is my sole function on the planet lol.

And its refreshing to engage in what i feel is a good musical argument/discussion, i wish it happened here more.

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Poster: high flow Date: May 31, 2012 2:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

Hey Wisconsin,

I thought we were done with this, but my Yahoo Horoscope for today:

"Live music is a great way to fire up a romantic relationship, so if you're working on building a connection with someone you're attracted to, take a look at upcoming concerts in your area. You'll find a nice surprise. Get tickets as soon as possible -- any hesitation, and you could miss out on a great experience. Even if you're not working on a relationship right now, taking yourself out on a nice date is a great way to remind yourself how special you are."

Too f*cking funny!

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: May 31, 2012 2:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

lmao.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: May 31, 2012 9:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

Just to get some fall 72 hype in. These jams over the latter half of 72 and early 73 just take me beyond any concert or any music. This is what music is all about to me, and cant go wrong with this easy link. I suggest finishing the jam, its got a great > me and bobby mcgee > other one on top.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72iVSo6iXz8

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 26, 2012 3:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

phish is up with people on patchouli

they are that nauseous feeling when the mushrooms are coming on but without the payoff

that said, trey is a real nice guy and people love 'em, so more power to 'em.

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Poster: Space Jogger Date: May 26, 2012 10:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

Very strong Harry Hood, great post!!!

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: May 26, 2012 11:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

LOL! Of course, someone could do that to the Dead, too ... and it would probably be true :-)

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Poster: deadhead53 Date: May 26, 2012 5:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Trey Challenge: Part II

That was pretty good cliff! I like phish but to me Jerry is a virtuoso, playing pedal steel, banjo almost everything to me that makes a virtuoso! Just my 2 cents

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